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dreuby Has anyone else tried this site?http://www.authorsden.com
Store your articles, poems, book ads etc, for others to read, forum, promotion, etc. Print or electronic.

I've just joined, so I can't really comment yet, but certainly worth a look!


Posted on: 8:49 pm on October 10, 2001
Neenah13 Even though it's been a long while since this was posted, I must reply.

I've joined. Only have one story there and need to spend more time finding out how the place can help me.

Have paid for the upgraded membership so I can enjoy the benefits.

Neenah


Posted on: 6:34 pm on March 5, 2004
dreuby I think since I posted, they have switched to paid-only membership. I've found it useful, but I don't call in as often as I should!

Other useful sites for writers:
http://www.writersweekly.com
http://www.fwointl.com(Freelance Writers International)
http://authorlink.com/index.html

http://www.ryze.comandhttp://www.ecademy.comare two good networking sites.


Posted on: 9:26 pm on March 5, 2004
Neenah13 I know, I don't either. Seems like there's just not enough time for everything I need or want to do. But I keep finding more interesting places that might help me sell my stuff. Gotta stop looking and get to promoting at the places I've already bookmarked.

I'm a horrible procrastinator!

I had one of my romances listed at Authorlink. An epublisher wanted to check it out, but they don't let them have a shot at it. Nice people to deal with though.

I've started posting at the WritersWeekly forum, and used to subscribe to Angela's newsletter. I've got her Freelance Writer's CD. She had an elist going but it kept getting tossed as spam. Guess that might be why she decided to set up a forum.

Of course, you've given me a bunch of new places to check out! Good reason for more procrastination!  Actually, I have to buckle down and do some serious promo, and find some affordable advertising or I'll have to go get a "real" job. Horrors! People are visiting my site, but no one's buying even though I've got a sale going on.

Time to get off the blanket and jump into the water.


Posted on: 6:09 am on March 8, 2004
Bouquet Hi there.
Yes, I've recently joined AuthorsDen.com too. I'd heard that you start to get noticed when you appear there, so decided it was probably worth the investment.

I was a bit nervous when I read on the  RoundTable a discussion about how e-books are not going anywhere, and POD disappoints some. That was why I figured I better get over here and see what more experienced e-book authors were finding.

Yesterday I made a comment on the forum about a short story game on my site, and today I got a response and a subscriber to my ezine as a result! So now I'm feeling more hopeful again.

I appreciate the links you put in, Dreuby, as I had not seen AuthorLink yet, or the Eacademy. I have joined Ryze though, and find that an active networking place.

Like you, Neenah, I'm struggling with fitting all these things into the one hour a day I allow for marketing my novel. I've done a lot of listing on directory sites, and now I'm exploring forums as my next phase. - I still have quite a few places to check out from Rusty Fischer's e-book on marketing.


Posted on: 10:15 pm on March 12, 2004
Neenah13 Hello Bouquet,

I've started to spend more time networking too. Been a little shy about shouting out that I'm publishing my stuff myself as ebooks. In the past week, I've found a couple of people who've been really helpful to me in showing me that I do have options even though I'm a fiction writer. it's really pretty exciting to me. Until this week I hadn't been getting much response.  Traffic is up on my site, people are letting me know what they think about the site and I get some emails as well. Some of the traffic is coming from people I've done ebay business with. I'd like to use that avenue to better advantage.

I don't expect to get rich doing this, but enough to justify the time spent would be nice!

Those people who cry ebooks are going nowhere are those who aren't crazy about them themselves. They can't and don't speak for everyone. There are group lists popping up now just for and about ebooks. it's great.

With POD, it depends on the printer or publisher you choose. I worked with OnDemand Publishing who printed a family history book for a couple I was working for at the time. They bent over backwards and beyond to make the book as nice as it could be. This place would probably get my business if ever I could afford to print. There's another I'd try, Berry something . . . past my bedtime here, the mind's fading . . . anyway, this place has great prices per book, and I've heard from others that they do a fabulous job as well. I'll probably have Cat Stevenson do my covers. I found her and both the printers mentioned in a self publishing list I belong to. She did a beautiful job on the cover for the book, and her prices are reasonable. Actually, she posts to that list too.

I've just finished two romance novels and a kids' novel. Now I have to decide how to use my ISBNs. I want to list them all on as many sites as I can, but I was only able to afford 10 numbers. I want to offer them as downloads and on CD in several formats.

I'm getting together with my sisters and brother this weekend, so I'm planning to come back to this Monday and get right to it! Then, I need to finish the third in this series I've planned! Plus the next kids' book. The kids' novel is a little more toward being finished.

Nice to see a new face!


Posted on: 8:01 am on March 13, 2004
dreuby An excellent mailing-list for self-publishers is
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Self-Publishing/

Posted on: 9:54 am on March 13, 2004
Bouquet Thanks,  dreuby,
for that tip. I've checked out SPAN before but couldn't afford the membership. Now that I looked it over I saw that I might get some of that info and encouragement through their ezine.

Wow, Neenah, you're quite prolific. Good for you.

I have oodles of ideas for books to write too, but have sort of focused on getting my first novel off the ground and flying before I push out too many others. I published "Ruthe's Secret Roses" as a POD with Booklocker, but of course, all the promo work falls on me, and my shoestring budget is too short to tie around my finger yet.

But I am doggedly persistent if anything, so I keep working away at this. I do have some fans who've been begging for the sequel, so I've committed to writing at least one day a month, which ever is the holiday - since most months have at least one.

I find too, that fiction is a bit harder to sell than non-fiction, but I still think there's room and going to be more when e-books are as common as cell phones have become in the last couple of years. We're sort of the Pioneers in this territory, aren't we?

Cat Stevenson designed my cover too, and although it isn't what I first had dreamed, it certainly is eye-catching.

I trust you had a good weekend with your family,


Posted on: 10:11 pm on March 15, 2004
Neenah13 I belonged to SPAN for a couple of years, but hard times prevented me from renewing. I want to get back in when I can. I thought of joining a less expensive group that offers discounts on SPAN memberships. This way I have two organizations I can claim membership in for the price of one. I am still a member of the Self-Publishing group dreuby mentioned and its a good one. There are others, but this one's one of the best.

There are a lot of groups popping up that are for ebooks only. I've just recently joined ebook-community, elove, ebook-reviews and ebook-ezine. Some are more supported than others. I joined some of them thinking there'd be discussions on the making of ebooks. You know, different compilers, how-to better use them, designing tips, etc. No one supports them. I've not gotten an answer yet to my questions regarding design, ebook cover programs, how to's etc. Very disappointing.

elove gets the most posts. You can talk about almost everything there, but it is primarily for the reviewing of romance ebooks. I'm going to be promoting mine there shortly. Today, hopefully! You have to give away one copy of whatever book it is you're promoting to the group. And the winner has to review it for the group. Seems to generate a lot of interest among the members if someone gives it a terrific thumbs up.

Of course, they want authors and  publishers to be reviewers too. So, I need to post some reviews besides, and buy some more books. BTW, I discovered among my vast library, sample chapters of Your book. I remember downloading them, but I don't recall when. I'll have to reread them. I do remember liking what I'd read.

The moderator of elove is an epublisher herself.who used to sell her stuff for a mere $2. Now she sells them for $3. I know ebooks aren't paper, but for all the work that goes into a story, two bucks isn't much compensation. Although, it's still probably better than what one would get from the royalties of a traditional publisher. I'm convinced that ours is ripping us off!

ebook-community is a more in depth discussion list. Some of the stuff seems over my head, but hopefully I'll understand it as I go along. They're more likely to go into design and compilers, etc. than anyone else. The big discussion right now is whether or not there's a need for a standard ebook format. Myself---I think it should be left up to the publisher or author to decide.

ebook-reviews is desparately looking for people to post their books for review and for reveiws of any type of book. Or almost any type. I think they do have guidelines. They have a page where authors, publishers and reviewers can manage the books they're offering for comment.  I think that you  can go there,  choose a book from an author or publisher, read it, then review it. They have daily emails or digests if you prefer. You can get info about the posted books and make your decision to read from those. It's so new I'm not yet certain exactly how it works, but that was my impression.

elove seems to be peopled with women who are into the most steamy of romances, or the paranormal, or a combination of both.  Made me reluctant to post either a review or my own books.

However, there are many who've come forward to request other types as well, and to post about those. Gave me new hope. Mine are not "hot", and to know there are people out there waiting for the sort of thing I do made me decide to go ahead and jump in.

They say they want the sort of story traditional publishers won't touvh. Well, I guess mine would fit in there even if they aren't full of bedroom scenes. First of all, they're over 300 pages long, with one being close to 500 pages. In HTML I have them down to 99 and about 170 pages. You don't have to scroll for miles in them, but I made each chapter 5 pages long. Makes it easier for me to build the books this way.

Have you a subscription to Fiction Factor? They've just opened a forum as well. Since I've been posting on those two boards, I've noticed a big increase on traffic to my site. Hasn't resulted in any sales yet, but hey! At least they're looking!

Another group that has helped me open my eyes to different possibilities are the men and women who make a living on ebay and Yahoo auctions. I knew of the methods, but didn't see how they could help me as a fiction writier. Well . . . was I blind! The idea behind it is not necessarily to sell a specific item as it is to use it as an avenue to point to what you really want to sell, and use the  legal (ebay approved) way of advertising it to your prospective customers. To be getting the tips and encouragement right from those who are considered the greats in the field is a rush. They've changed my outlook overnight.

I do have one potential subscriber to my 3ZRecipes Newsletter once I start it. 3Z stands for Zippy, Zingy and Zesty . . . it's a hot and spicey foods recipe club that features hot peppers galore! I've an eCookbook with about 14 tongue torchers in it.  Buy the book, and become a member of the club whereupon you get 3 new recipes a week or a month---depends on which I finally decide on. I want the club to succeed, but I also want time to write my novels and promote them as well!

In any case, if you want more info on the ebook lists, I'll post the URLs here, or you can look for them in the Yahoo Groups.  There are some other fiction forums I've surfed across, or that have just opened up. They all seem to have a thread for ebooks. And if they don't, well, we can just start one! What ones are you already frequenting? They're most likely to help us find ways of getting our masterpieces before our soon to be adoring public.

I like to dream BIG!

My weekend was the best we've had yet. I so miss them when it's over and I have to come home. I know it's only three hours away, but at times, it might as well be three days away!

Hope some of this long winded post helps!



Posted on: 5:09 pm on March 16, 2004
Bouquet Oh Neenah!
You have so many things there that I want to check out, and I've got this crazy head cold. It hard to see out of my eyes. I'll come back next week and pour over your post and see how much I can learn from it. Today it looks overwhelming.


Posted on: 9:59 pm on March 26, 2004
theideaman "I was a bit nervous when I read on the  RoundTable a discussion about how e-books are not going anywhere, and POD disappoints some."

As I say everyone is entitled to their opinion
but to say ebooks aren't going anywhere...
I dunno bout that.

Covering the right niche, solving your target
markets problems still work today whether
you make the info available by ebook or some
other means.

People have problems, solve their problems, sell the solutions.


Posted on: 3:28 pm on March 30, 2004
Neenah13 That's exactly right. What difference should it make where the info comes from? But there's always going to be someone crying the cons.

Anyone savvy on the net today can see that info ebooks are selling like crazy. My own library has probably more of them than I'll find time to do more than scan. Some were free, some were definitely not. Those, of course, I'll not ignore.

When it comes to fiction, which is my main thing, that's when you hear the cry the loudest. Yet, I know that that isn't quite true. Those members of the eLove eList---I forget how many members have signed on so far, well over 100, probably closer to 200 and new ones joining every day---buy two eBooks a week on average, with a few confessing to buying four or more. They can't be the only ones who are buying fiction on the net. This was a positive group for me to join.

The only problem a fiction writer is trying to solve is to give someone a great read and a good time for their money. Take them away to another world for a while. Some people don't think that's a worthwhile goal.

So, no---no fiction author is about to command $50 a book; we're lucky if we sell them for under $10. Under $5 is best. No one cares that it took 30 years and  three computers to finish the story. No one cares about the thought and effort that went into the design of the book and cover. Although it's true that as far as page layout goes, there's sometimes not much thought to it. But that can be true of some non fiction stuff as well.

The biggest whine is that if it's published as an eBook it can't be any good. I wish I had a buck for every horribly done print novel I've bought and  read. They aren't all typo free, not are they always flawlessy plotted, and the characters were such idiots, I couldn't finish the thing. But they're paper, so that makes them better in their opinion.  Just because an author is paper published doesn't mean the book is going to sell a zillion copies. Mine sure isn't.

I've redone my site to make sure everyone knows that I am an eBookWriter. I write them, I buy them, I read them, and now I'm going to more actively promote and market them. I guess I've decided not to listen to those who don't care for eBooks.  Their opinion isn't mine, and I don't have to let myself be discouraged by them.

Neenah


Posted on: 4:39 pm on March 30, 2004
Bouquet Okay, Neenah,
I'm back and ready to work through this post for the things I can learn (I'll try not to quote ALL of it).

[On second thought; I'm not doing this right as all the rest of this email is looking like the quote. My comments are inserted in between your lines, but can you tell? Somebody will have to educate me here... please?]




Quote:  I thought of joining a less expensive group that offers discounts on SPAN memberships. This way I have two organizations I can claim membership in for the price of one. I am still a member of the Self-Publishing group dreuby mentioned and its a good one. There are others, but this one's one of the best.
[endquote]

B: Okay. That's one I need to look into again. The other time I believe I ran into a 404 page. It's not the email list by Hoy from Booklocker, is it? I belonged to it, but it disappeared.


N: There are a lot of groups popping up that are for ebooks only. I've just recently joined ebook-community, elove, ebook-reviews and ebook-ezine. Some are more supported than others.

B: Wow. How do you find the time? Well, probably the way I do - you keep adding more and more into your life.
Are those all mailing lists on Yahoo?


N: I joined some of them thinking there'd be discussions on the making of ebooks. You know, different compilers, how-to better use them, designing tips, etc. No one supports them. I've not gotten an answer yet to my questions regarding design, ebook cover programs, how to's etc. Very disappointing.

B: Actually, in that regard this site is the most informative. Right here in this forum.


N: elove gets the most posts. You can talk about almost everything there, but it is primarily for the reviewing of romance ebooks. I'm going to be promoting mine there shortly.

B: Hmm. I don't think of myself as a romance writer, but I am starting one now as a sequel to Ruthe's Secret Roses. However, it is going to be VERY different from the conventional romances, so I'm not sure I can use their channels.


N: Of course, they want authors and  publishers to be reviewers too. So, I need to post some reviews besides, and buy some more books.    

B: You know, in checking out author sites lately, especially the ones that offer reviews, I found that almost every one is swamped with books, and can't keep up! I think there is a great opportunity here for someone to jump in and help ease the load.

I used to be a reviewer for Provident Bookfinder, but MPH had financial problems and had to restructure, so they let that go. I did get permission to post my own reviews on my site, and I've kept adding to that stock whenever I read a good book.

But of course, it is awkward reviewing my own..

N: BTW, I discovered among my vast library, sample chapters of Your book. I remember downloading them, but I don't recall when. I'll have to reread them. I do remember liking what I'd read.

B: Oh, why Neenah, if you do, and decide that you'd like to read and review the whole novel for me, I'll be happy to give you a free download of it! What I really need right now is some enthusiastic reviews to help me promote the book.


N: The moderator of elove is an epublisher herself.who used to sell her stuff for a mere $2. Now she sells them for $3. I know ebooks aren't paper, but for all the work that goes into a story, two bucks isn't much compensation. Although, it's still probably better than what one would get from the royalties of a traditional publisher. I'm convinced that ours is ripping us off!

B: Ah-!! I wonder if pricing is part of my problem? My novel is 467 pages and I'd read that people treat it as cheap if you price it cheap, so I choose $12.77 as the e-book price. Do you really think it would sell better if I priced it under $5?

Maybe I should do an Easter week sale as a test? Only I'd have to have time to advertise it - and I'm on this Zero budget!!

N: ebook-community is a more in depth discussion list. Some of the stuff seems over my head, but hopefully I'll understand it as I go along. They're more likely to go into design and compilers, etc. than anyone else. The big discussion right now is whether or not there's a need for a standard ebook format. Myself---I think it should be left up to the publisher or author to decide.

B: I've wondered about that too. I like the room to be creative and try different things, but e-books will probably do much better when they get standardized like cell phones.


N: ebook-reviews is desparately looking for people to post their books for review and for reveiws of any type of book. Or almost any type. I think they do have guidelines.

B: Oh, I think I was there recently.-NO. That was bookreview.com. They are desperate for reviewers too. But I feared getting swamped. I'm trying to run several businesses at once!

So where is this ebook-review site?


N: elove seems to be peopled with women who are into the most steamy of romances, or the paranormal, ...

They say they want the sort of story traditional publishers won't touvh. Well, I guess mine would fit in there even if they aren't full of bedroom scenes. First of all, they're over 300 pages long, with one being close to 500 pages. In HTML I have them down to 99 and about 170 pages. You don't have to scroll for miles in them, but I made each chapter 5 pages long. Makes it easier for me to build the books this way.


B: Now that's interesting. My novel has 77 chapters and I just put one on each HTML page. Some do take a lot of scrolling, but a finger on the down arrow key makes that easier than switching pages - I thought.


N: Have you a subscription to Fiction Factor? They've just opened a forum as well. Since I've been posting on those two boards, I've noticed a big increase on traffic to my site. Hasn't resulted in any sales yet, but hey! At least they're looking!

B: No.. I haven't heard of them before. Where do I find them?


N: Another group that has helped me open my eyes to different possibilities are the men and women who make a living on ebay and Yahoo auctions. I knew of the methods, but didn't see how they could help me as a fiction writier. Well . . . was I blind! The idea behind it is not necessarily to sell a specific item as it is to use it as an avenue to point to what you really want to sell, and use the  legal (ebay approved) way of advertising it to your prospective customers. To be getting the tips and encouragement right from those who are considered the greats in the field is a rush. They've changed my outlook overnight.

B: Oh now, this is interesting! I've heard that books can be sold one at a  time on eBay, but again, I figured that would be time-consuming. I wanted to try all my other marketing angles first before I tackle that one.

I do want to follow how you go about that, and what your experience is like. Keep us informed, okay?

N: I do have one potential subscriber to my 3ZRecipes Newsletter once I start it. 3Z stands for Zippy, Zingy and Zesty . . . it's a hot and spicey foods recipe club that features hot peppers galore! I've an eCookbook with about 14 tongue torchers in it.  Buy the book, and become a member of the club whereupon you get 3 new recipes a week or a month---depends on which I finally decide on. I want the club to succeed, but I also want time to write my novels and promote them as well!

B: I heard cookbooks were lucrative...  I don't consider myself a great cook, but I have some useful short-cuts... Hmmm. You get me thinking in so many directions!


N: In any case, if you want more info on the ebook lists, I'll post the URLs here, or you can look for them in the Yahoo Groups.  There are some other fiction forums I've surfed across, or that have just opened up. They all seem to have a thread for ebooks. And if they don't, well, we can just start one! What ones are you already frequenting?

B: Well, I write two ezines myself, one an inspirational one related to the theme of friendship which is in my novel, (RoseBouquet) and the other is for those trying to make a living on the net, but who also want God involved. (Encouragement & Action).

I also subscribe to about 40-50 ezines, and I need to trim back! But I do learn a lot that way, so sometimes I join new ones and unsub some older ones.

Oh, here's the links, in case you want to see;
http://Ruthes-SecretRoses.com/RoseBouquet/index.html
and I've moved the second one to my new business site;http://BouquetofEnterprises.biz/E/index.shtml


N: They're most likely to help us find ways of getting our masterpieces before our soon to be adoring public.

I like to dream BIG!

B: Me too!!

N: My weekend was the best we've had yet. I so miss them when it's over and I have to come home. I know it's only three hours away, but at times, it might as well be three days away!

Hope some of this long winded post helps!

B: Glad you had a great family time, and yes, this does help in many ways. New things to go check out.





Posted on: 11:00 pm on March 31, 2004
Neenah13 Well, sigh . . . BIG ones. I had this post almost finished and don't you know---I got one of those stupid illegal operation errors and there went my browser and there went my post!

Okay, Bouquet, here I go again.

Yes, I do think your price is your problem. I would have bought it at the time had it been half the price. So try a sale and see how it goes. I do NOT think that you should price it lower than $5. A book of that length deserves a little higher price.  Of course, I say that because my book, The Courting of Thomasyna, is over 500 pages long. I started writing her in 1972, when I was Thomi's age. Now I'm her father's age.  Almost.  I feel with all that time and length she's worth $6.50.  She's on sale right now for half price in the HTML edition.

Sure, I'd love to review your book for you. It sounded pretty interesting to me. 77 chapters . . . . hmmm. Thomi has only 32, but I'm sure I could, and probably should, divide some of them more. Be about 40 or so if I did. But . . . I'm not gonna. (in a sing song voice . . .!)

My chapters would scroll for twenty miles if I didn't break them into smaller pages, though. And I have received some positive feedback on my use of page transitions. Now, if they'd only buy the whole book!

I used to do some reviews for either Diskus or Hardshell, I forget. It's been a while. I wouldn't mind doing it again. I'd like to review some good kids' or YA books as well.

Try the eLove list with your book and your sale price. You never know.  As I may have mentioned, there's readers there who'll read anything and everything romantic.  Most will pay up to $7 with minimal wimping, and a few would pay much more without wimping.

I would pay up to that $7 mark for fiction myself, and I won't price my books higher than I'm willing to go for someone else's books.  Non fiction is where people start the it's cheap if it's priced cheap thing. Fiction is entertainment. People want their entertainment cheap. At least when it comes to eBooks.  Should I ever write a non fiction eBook, it'll be priced more than Thomi!

I joined all these things to learn "All Things eBook". Redid my site to reflect that more. I have only one print book and a handful of short stories to brag about. Which I don't. My in-laws don't to this day know about the print book. It's been out a year or two now.

Sticking my neck out now. I'm looking to focus on more articles just for eBooks. Joined the Ebook Society this weekend. They need volunteers too. Wel'll see. I'm taking on a lot of stuff I don't know if my life CAN accommodate! But if I want to promote and market my books, then I have to do a certain amount of posting and advertising. Traffic is up on my site since i started doing that. No sales yet, but people are downloading my sample chapters more than before. Redesigning my site helped.

Angela Hoy disbanded her self publishing elist and set up a forum in its place. I was in her list too, and liked it. The Self Publishing elist is a different atmosphere, more businesslike than WW was. I liked both lists, though. I learned a ton from both. SP gets into the really meaty stuff. It's also geared more toward the print publishing game. Still, lots of valuable stuff there. That list I never fail to read. They are a Yahoo group. In fact, every group I belong to is. So, yes, the Ebook-Review is also.

I believe you can find the link to Angela's new forum on the Writer's Weekly site.

I'll post the links for Fiction Factor and a couple others I think would be useful to you.

If you're interested, I'll also post those for my three favorite people for things auction. I sold my first Hot Pepper Recipe eBook on eBay last night.

You don't have to sell them one at a time once your feedback reaches a certain number---30. And once it gets to 50, your options are wide open.

That's 50 Unique sales or bids, mind you. If you buy or sell to the same person only their first feedback post counts. I have over 50, but I've bought stuff from some of the same people more than once---more than twice even.  I need seven or eight more to get to that Unique 50 mark.  

For some things, like books, selling in lots of two or more at a time works best. For other things, like video game systems and games, breaking them up may get you more. Which is why it's suggested you offer a bonus ebook or something to sweeten the deal for your eBooks.

I offered a recipe club subscription as a bonus for buying the eBook. Not sure how it'll pay off. I think it's a guy . . . . But still, it's a start, and he likes Hot Peppers. I can maybe interest him in Vol II one day---when I write it.

However--the bonus wasn't what sold the book. My buyer is a brand new eBayer who needed fast feedback so he could do business with other eBayers who won't deal with newbies with 0 feedback. So he looked for something cheap that he thought he might like, and took a chance I'd help him. I did.  Been there, done that myself.  

The trick to using eBay, or any of the other auctions, is not just sell at auction. it's one of those you gotta think outside the bun deals. You want to get backend sales, so I was told. Focusing our About Me pages for that is one of the first things to do. On it, you can sell yourself and point a link to your home page---where you hopefully will interest people in your other wares. Seems a no brainer, but there's more to it, and I'm only just beginning to get it, myself. Baby steps. We all want to run before we can crawl, I think. I think I'm at the just starting to push myself up off the floor point.

i've been to your site a few times, actually. I love the roses there.  I wish I knew how to create them myself so I could have some cool backgrounds for my romances. I try to create all my own so I don't run into copyright problems. I have found a couple though, that I was able to use. Need more flowers, that's all there is to it! Need a reliable illustrator for my kids' books, too.

Well, I'm off to actually put my preaching into practice now. I hope this all pays off, at least a little!

Neenah

Neenah


Posted on: 4:51 am on April 1, 2004
Bouquet Guess we're a bit off the Authors Den topic by now, but we're still covering marketing ideas, aren't we?

Oh, and I want to agree with theideaman, that I do feel e-books have a future. The ones at the Round Table at AuthorsDen, strike me as people who are only in the writing stage yet, not marketing.

Now, Neenah here, I see you as someone with similiar ambitions to mine. We may be able to help each other.

And I AM sorry to hear you lost all that first post you worked so hard on! What a pity!

Thanks to your encouragement though, I believe I shall have an April sale on my e-book. I may have to contact Angela Hoy about lowering the pdf price on Booklocker too, as I had to sign a contract not  to under sell their price, and their POD price was set based on the number of pages of the print copy. I think - I'm allowed to lower the e-book price.

Maybe slashed to half price, $6.38 ? and stress the length of the book, hmm?

Today being April 1, I'll have to get a move-on!

Now that you mention your Thomasyna book I do recall visiting you too. With your site re-design I wasn't quite sure. But I remember reading your online chapters and I believe it was about the time I was preparing mine as an e-book, and I was pleased to notice that fiction could be do that way.

Let's see, I don't want to post the download link for you to get a review copy of my novel here, but if you'll  write me using the feedback form on my site, I'll get it back to you right away. How's that?

I sure appreciate you being willing to read it and write a review. That's terrific!

This first book of mine isn't really romantic. That's where readers meet this unsual Ruthe. It's in the sequel where she'll have a very unusual romance.

I've made myself a note to check out eLove.com again, but I'll work on my "Sale" first.

Glad to hear about your eBay venture. It's on my to-do list too, but nearer to the end of my current marketing plan, so that I can focus on it better once I start.

As for the roses on my site... I sort'a stumbled on some of them on free sites, and by making friends with the designers, got permission to use them even though technically I guess my site is a commercial one. But the ones I'm using more now are ones I had a friend scan, and then I turned them into muted graphics in my free graphics program.

I keep learning as I go, but I decided that this site could be as full of roses as I wanted since it was a theme of the book. My newest site has to be a bit more demure as it is a business site.

I've gone through several stages in web design, and I realize this means my e-books look more professional now too. (I was into crafts for many years, so it is fun!)

What kind of flowers do you need?

By the way, just to return to the AuthorsDen  theme. On the forum there the other week, I had mentioned my Short Story Game on my site.
http://Ruthes-SecretRoses.com/Library/S/StoryGame.shtmlThat has brought me several writers as subscribers to my ezine, The RoseBouquet! And one enthusiastic Reader who says she wants to follow EVERY link on my site. I wasn't going to fall for flattery, but that DOES tickle me!


Posted on: 11:08 pm on April 1, 2004
Neenah13 Go ahead and price it at $6.50 or $6.25.  Close enough to half, I'd say. Yes, stress the length of the book. Sress more that it's an enjoyable read and they'll never know it's long, they'll be so caught up in the adventure!

I don't think it matters that we got off the Author's Den  topic. If we were all using our memberships there as we ought, we'd have more to say on it. And if it does matter, why we just start a new thread and carry on.

I have only one story there. Keep meaning to get back to it. I'm, after all, paying for a membership that is supposed to allow me to do more. I should take advantage of it. Would be nice to get a following of my own. Or even get into one following someone else . . .I haven't read much of anything there.

I got a message from another author in AuthorsDen who just wanted to say hello to another with the same name---although she spells her name Aneeta, while my mother chose to spell it Anita---the traditional way, (but I like to go by my nickname Neenah---or Neene to my family. I have thought of spelling it Aneta so it better reflects the Neenah nick . . .  Should I betray my mother? I don't know . . . I might!

Easy to digress, eh?

I've sold two of my Recipe books to date. I'm so pleased! You'd think I'd sold a million of them! That would be nice.

Now if the other stuff would start!

I'm giving the MYBOOKSOUT announcement list a shot. I don't think I'll see much action at first, but one never knows until one tries.

Yes, my site is a far cry from what it was when I first started out.  I'm never satisfied. But I think I like this well enough to leave it alone for a while and concentrate on getting some decent content going.  I know some kids' authors from  workshop I used to attend who might help me out with article.  Mary Emma Allen is one of them, but there are  three or four others I'd like to contact. Be kind of net to do it. The workshop was dropped last year, and we all miss it.

Now, as to flowers . . . I don't know what I'm looking for particularly. I do want a bigger variety of rose ones for my romance eBooks. I took a subscription to ClipArt.com because you can use the stuff there commercially. But, they don't just now, have much in the way of roses or any other flower suitble to my purpose.  I guess I want flowers that will make a  reader feel she's gotten a bouquet of them with the eBook. Which is how I felt when I opened yours.

I'm not really happy with the HTML copy of Thomi for that reason. I've had others say it's fine, but you how it is. If you're not happy, it may not matter that someone else likes it. I have one background I love, but I can't remember where I got it to ask if I can use it or buy it. I guess I need to go cultivate a few artistic friendships!

I'll head over now to send some feedback to you. I also need to send a url for my recipe book to my newest customer. My recipe club newsletter officially has two members!

Little successes lead to bigger ones---hopefully! Sounds good at any rate!


Posted on: 8:07 am on April 2, 2004
Neenah13 Hi again, Bouquet,

I just tried to sent you my info from your site. I get an Internal Server Error.

I"d wanted to come for it last night, but one of my cats tipped over a glass of milk I was enjoying with a snack, and he fried my keyboard right there.

Got a new one today. Boy, I hate to be away from my computer for long! I let the little imp live. He's a corker, that one!

I just read over your FAQs. I'm not sure if you want to consider it now, since the book is already published, but maybe for your next, you could add a Meet the Characters page or pages to help people keep them all straight. I did that for Thomasyna since she comes from a family of 13 kids and I didn't want to leave a one of them out. Then, of course, there's everyone else in the story.

I notice they're getting hits quite a bit lately, so it must be appreciated.

Just a thought.

Neenah

Let me know when I can try again.

(Edited by Neenah13 at 6:17 am on April 3, 2004)

(Edited by Neenah13 at 6:23 am on April 3, 2004)


Posted on: 1:05 am on April 3, 2004
Bouquet Thanks, Neenah,
for tipping me off about the feedback form. I've just discovered some others giving Internal Server Error msgs so I've reported that to the host, and asked for help.

Meantime, I've found your email on your site, and am writing you separately with the download link.

I like your suggestion for a Meet the Characters page. Actually, I've done some profiles on them in my RoseBouquet section, but I ought to have a page in the sales section with links to those.

Besides that, I have an idea for an interactive "hide and seek" game, using the characters' faces and popup "talk balloons" that I want to try once I get a scanner and can get some sketches of the characters up on the site. It's been on the back burner for a few years already!

As for my book on sale. It's a go! I spent all the time I could spare on Friday changing my sales pages and even added e-Gold as a payment option, and yesterday I set up a press release on AuthorsDen. I need to do that in a few other places, and also list it on my surfing programs. So I may not get back here much in the next while.

I went with the 6.38 price so I could truthfully say it was half-price.

Angela at Booklocker, said it was no problem to list the pdf there at half price too.

I'll have to look for this MYBOOKSOUT list...

The month is racing away, so I'll need to get the word out.

Meantime, all the best on your Recipe book sales!


Posted on: 10:49 pm on April 6, 2004
Neenah13 All righty, then, I'll look for your email in my inbox.

I've started some promo myself, but it's just a scratch on the surface.  But, we're off and running, eh? Much luck to you!  


Posted on: 2:14 am on April 7, 2004
auctioneer Excuse me for just jumping right on in but I heard some comments that got my ears buzzing!

Are getting traffic but no sales?
Are running a sale to get orders?

I am no expert, but I am getting there but you may have a "copy" issue. Sales copy, as I am discovering, is not too difficult and there are so many resources out there to teach you. I know because I am learning now myself.

Just to share a few points:
1. Page header is most important it must "grab" visitor.
2. First Subhead gives your most compelling reason for reader to continue reading.
3. Body copy concentrate on benefits, not features
4. You need testimonials! I could do an ebook on that
5. You need a strong guarantee
6. Give some "extras"
7. Ask for the order...Today...Now!

I would look at my copy before I have a sale. In the short time I have been studying copywriting fundamentals, my ebook downloads and newsletter subs have been growing.

Just my $0.02


Posted on: 9:34 pm on April 12, 2004
Bouquet Thanks, Auctioneer!
You bring up a key point. I realized last year already for all my careful study of sales-copy writing, I seemed to have missed the mark, and it is one of my main goals this year to learn to write good, persuasive sales copy.

Except.  I can't see myself shouting hype at potential buyers. I don't respond to that style myself, so maybe - am I being too subtle yet?

Are you up to giving me a quick review of my sales copy and some tips for correcting it?

In case you are, here's my half-price sale page;
http://Ruthes-SecretRoses.com/hi/1RSR-half-price.html

That's condensed and revised from the longer two pages I first wrote so carefully, starting here;
http://Ruthes-SecretRoses.com/rsr/Intro.html

I really am ready to learn in this area!


Posted on: 10:58 pm on April 15, 2004

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